Our aim for the camper van electrical system is to be able to do without electrical hookups indefinitely, and to be able to be away from any power source for a day or two without much sun and without having to run the engine.
To achieve this we have tried to keep electrical loads down by choosing efficient gadgets, avoided some high power consumption electrical devices, included some extra battery capacity, and a large solar panel to charge the battery when sun is available.
This section goes over the design of the electrical system for the camper conversion, the selection of components, and the installation.
|Safety Warning and Disclaimer|
There are serious safety issues involved with wiring your own system. The voltages are high, and potentially lethal. Doing the system incorrectly can lead to serious consequences down the road.
PV systems have the added hazard that even when the grid power is turned off, the system can be “live” and present a serious shock hazard.
If you don’t feel like you want to put in the time to learn how to do this correctly, then find an electrician that you can partner with to do this part.
I want to make it very clear that I am not an electrician, and I take no responsibility whatever for the correctness of the wiring hints below — you need to do your own homework!
- 1 Overview
- 2 Components:
- 3 Circuits
- 4 Installation
- 5 How Has It All Worked Out?
- 6 Weights, Costs, Labor
- 7 Questions? Comments?
We do not want to be tied to electrical hookups at RV parks, so we incorporated a good sized house battery and tried to minimize our electrical loads. Most of our loads are DC and run directly off the house battery with only a couple of modest AC loads that can be powered either by our onboard inverter or shore power.
The house battery can be charged from the van alternator, or from a large solar panel on the roof, or from shore power if available. The battery can supply a couple of days (or more) with typical loads, and on a sunny day, the solar panel is sized to fully recharge a depleted house battery.
At this point (Jan 2017) we have used our van for about 2 years and the electrical system has performed well without any significant problems.
2019 Update: Our 2014 ProMaster van now has 70K plus miles on it with many trips. The electrical system has performed well, and no significant changes have been needed. We did add a Victron Battery Monitoring system just to have better visibility of how the batteries are doing — a nice gadget to have, but definitely not a necessity.
At the heart of the camper electrical system is the house battery. It can receive charge from three separate sources: 1) the van alternator when the engine is running, 2) the roof mounted solar panel, and 3) the inverter/charger when plugged in to shore power.
The house battery powers all of the DC loads (like lights, fridge, furnace fan, water pump) via the DC distribution panel. It also powers an inverter to provide 120 Volt AC house power to our small number of AC loads. Most of the electrical devices on the van run directly from the 12 volt house battery.
The Battery Isolator prevents the RV loads from running down the van starting battery, the PV panel charges the house battery via the Charge Controller, the DC and AC distribution panel safely distributes power to the RV electrical loads, the Inverter/Charger supplies 120 AC power from the house battery and also charges the house battery when hooked up to shore power.
All of this explained in much more detail below.
These are our choices for the main components.
Item Description Cost House Battery 2 @ 6 volt, 200 AH golf cart batteries (Costco) $180 Inverter/Charger Triplite APS 1250 Inverter/Charger $406 Battery Isolator PAC-200 Battery Isolator 200 amp $46 MPPT Charge Controller Midnite Solar KID Charge Controller $280 AC/DC Distribution Panel PD5000 AC/DC Power Control Panel $58 PV Panel SolarWorld SW315 PV panel $368 Total (not including fuses, wire, …) $1338
We used two 220 amp-hr, 6 volt golf cart batteries from Costco connected in series for 12 volts. This gives us some reserve for cloudy days..
We thought about using an AGM battery, the advantages of the AGM battery is that it does not need water to be added (low maintenance), it vents less hydrogen during charging than a flooded battery, and there is no chance of spillage.. On the down side, they are quite a bit more expensive for the same capacity, and appear (from the Trojan Battery data below) to have a shorter life.
The conventional flooded lead-acid golf cart batteries we used are less expensive and very readily available, but will require checking the water levels from time to time, and the battery compartment will have to be vented to the outside to prevent hydrogen buildup. But, flooded batteries vent very little hydrogen when charged at the correct rate.
Just as an approximate comparison — some data on two of Trojan Batteries offerings of flooded and AGM batteries.
Trojan recommends a charge rate of 10 to 13% of the 20 hr amp-hr rating, so about 22 to 30 amps for our golf cart batteries — lower charge rates are OK, but higher charge rates will result in more gassing and shorter life. They also recommend 3 stage chargers. Charging voltages for flooded and AGM batteries are different, so the charger should be settable to the type of battery you have.
Both types will have a longer life if they are not discharged as deeply, but, it seems like for a camper van that might only be used 30(?) times a year that discharging to 80% should still give a very long battery life. Designing for 80% discharge allows the use of a smaller, lighter, more compact, and cheaper battery compared to (say) designing to 50% discharge.
The batteries live inside the van in a case that is vented to the outside.
Another option that is just becoming practical is to use Lithium batteries (as used in electric cars). They would reduce weight and size by quite a bit over the lead acid batteries, but are still expensive, and would likely take some careful homework to get right.
AC and DC Distribution and Fuse Panel
After quite a bit of looking around, I found this nice and not very expensive distribution panel for RV’s that handles both the AC and DC distribution in one fairly compact package.
It provides for up to 12 DC circuits and up to 4 AC circuits.
This looks like another good option for a combined AC and DC distribution panel…
This gadget allows the van alternator to be used to charge the house battery, while preventing the van starting battery from being drained by powering loads in the RV. It isolates the van starting battery from the house battery when the ignition switch is off so that RV loads only discharge the house battery. The idea is that even if you discharge the house battery overnight, the van starting battery will still be fully charged.
This relay based unit appeals to me because: 1) it does not have the voltage drop that the diode based isolators do, 2) it does not get wired between the alternator and the starting battery as the diode ones do (so less interference with the van wiring), and 3) It is easy to hook up because it just needs a wire from the starting battery and an 12V source that goes on with the ignition switch.
Not sure if I’m reading this right, but it seems like when you start the van that this unit puts the starter battery in parallel with the house battery. I guess this could be good if your starting battery is low, but maybe not so good if your house battery is low?
In hindsight, a unit with a lower amperage rating would have been fine. The unit is inline with a 50 amp circuit breaker, so anything over 50 amps would probably be fine. The maximum recommended charging current for the golf cart batteries is about 30 amps.
Another option would be to use a Voltage Sensing Relay. This is a relay similar to the one above, but the relay is activated just monitoring the van battery voltage to determine if the engine is running or not. It requires less wiring.
The inverter/charger performs two jobs. When you are not hooked up to shore power and are being powered by the house battery, it provides limited 120 volt AC power for the van from the house battery. When you are hooked up to shore power, it turns off the inverter function and passes the shore power through to the AC loads that are connected to the inverter, AND it charges the house battery using a full 3 stage charger.
We selected the Tripp Lite APS1250, which provides 1250 watts of AC from the battery, and when in charger mode, provides up to 30 amps of battery charging using a 3 stage charger.
These inverter chargers are made by several companies. I chose the Tripp Lite mostly because I have a larger one I bought several years ago and it has held up well.
I like this kind of inverter/charger because: 1) it eliminates the need for a separate battery charger to charge from shore power, 2) it has 3 stage charging, so its easy on the battery, 3) it automatically switches from the inverter powering AC loads to the shore power when you plug into shore power, so you can hook your AC loads up to the inverter and they will be powered whether you are on shore power or on house battery power.
Like most of these inverters, it draws some power from the battery whenever the inverter is turned on even if nothing is plugged into the inverter, but it can easily be turned off manually when no AC power is being used, so this is a nuisance, but not a serious one.
Update 1/1/2016: One thing I’ve noticed is that pure sine wave inverter/chargers have dropped in price some, so if you plan to run AC loads that might need the pure sine wave output, you might want to upgrade to a pure sine wave inverter — one example is the Xantrex Freedom HFS 2000 Inveter Charger.
Solar Charge Controller:
The charge controller goes between the PV panel and the house battery. It transforms the PV panel output voltage down to a voltage that is suitable for charging the battery, and it prevents the solar panel from overcharging and damaging the battery.
I am using the MinNite Solar KID charge controller. This is a relatively new design that has quite a bit of flexibility for small solar systems. It includes MPPT (Maximum Power Point Tracking) which is more efficient than the PWM models.
The unit is very nicely made in the US. The manual is written in an informative and down to earth style that is refreshing compared to the awful manuals that come with so many products. I’m told the phone tech support is very good.
The unit includes basic monitoring of the system, and they sell an add on unit for more extensive monitoring if desired.
Midnite Solar has a nice online tool that lets you see if the PV panel(s) you are planning to use are compatible with the KID.
Price is about $285.
Update: March 4, 2015: They have just raised the price up to $440. I think that this is kind of steep, and I’d probably look for a better option. Further update: see the comment by Dennis below for a less expensive Victron option.
I decided to use just one large solar panel. This seems easier than mounting and wiring together several panels.
The panel I selected the SW315 from Solar World. Its a 315 watt, 72 cell panel. The 72 cell design provides enough voltage (36 volts) to work with the KID charge controller as a single panel.
I ordered the panel from the local Platt Electric — their price was competitive and if you pick it up at Platt there is no shipping charge. With a little discount they gave, it came to $368 — about $1.17 per peak watt.
I have not mounted the panel yet. Thinking about mounting it as low as possible and aft of the Maxx Fan on the centerline of the roof.
Still thinking about the best way to bring the two wires from the PV panel into the van. I’m wondering if I can bring them through the backup camera housing?
Update: August 2015: Solar panel mounted …
Update: March 2017 – new product to look at
Ran across this house battery charger. It will charge from the van alternator or solar (or both at same time). Its a full three stage charger that will charge the house battery optimally regardless of the alternator output voltage or solar panel voltage. It has charge profiles for all the common lead-acid batteries. The solar charger accepts only 12 volt PV panels, but it is an MPPT charger. It appears to be a new product, but definitely worth a look.
For most of the DC and AC circuits, I used regular 14 gage Romex house wire. I used nearly all of one 250 coil. There are a couple runs that use 12 gage Romex due to higher demand and/or to reduce voltage drop. I’m aware that some sources recommend using stranded wire for greater vibration resistance, but the Romex is widely used in RV’s and does not appear to cause an problems. The outer plastic protective sheathing and its wide availability at low cost are pluses.
Choosing wire type:
There is an ongoing (never ending:) discussion of solid vs stranded wire for RVs. In a nutshell, some believe that solid wire (eg Romex) is subject failure under high vibration conditions. On the other hand, its easy to work with, has the protective outer jacket, is inexpensive, is used in a lot of commercial RVs, and is built to a spec for consistent quality. I have not been able to find any accounts of actual failures of Romex due to vibration in actual RV service.
Stranded wire is said to be more vibration resistant, but is more susceptible to corrosion, and is more expensive.
If you decide to go with stranded wire, there are many choices. I thing this type of boat wire would be a good choice. It meets ABYC and Coast Guard standards, is tinned for better corrosion resistance, and has an outer jacket for better protection and easier routing. Its more expensive than Romex, but probably not a major expense in the context of total conversion cost. I would make sure that you get wire that is manufactured to a standard, and that the standard makes sense for use in RVs. Doing things like cutting the ends off cheap China extension cords to make RV wires seems like asking for trouble to me.
There were a few places where larger gage stranded THHN wire was used (e.g. between inverter and battery and between van and house battery). I got this all at Lowes where they will cut pieces to the length you want.
A good way to go for picking wire gage is to use the BlueSea Circuit Wizard calculator. It uses the ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council) boat wiring standards to size wires, which should be a good fit for RVs. It has inputs for voltage drop, multiple conductors bundled, load duration, and insulation temperature rating — be sure to examine all the inputs. The calculator is easy to use, and requires very little electrical knowledge to use successfully.
While the overall wiring diagram for the whole system gets a bit busy (and more than I am up to drawing), it really consists of a few simple functions that are largely independent of each other. This section goes through the details of each of the functions, which are:
- House battery charging from the van alternator
- House battery charging from the solar panel
- Satisfying 12 volt DC loads (DC distribution panel)
- Satisfying 120 volt AC loads and Shore Power
If you are looking for software to draw your own schematic, Digikey Scheme-It is a nice, easy to use, free tool.
House Battery Charging from Van Alternator
This is the electrical subsystem responsible for charging the house battery from the van alternator when the van is running.
When the van engine is running, the relay closes allowing the van battery/alternator to charge the house battery.
The battery isolator relay connects the van battery to the house battery only when the van ignition switch is on. This prevents house loads from discharging the the van battery and resulting in a vehicle that has a flat battery in the morning and won’t start.
The barratry isolator relay is turned on by connecting it to a 12 volt power source on the van that is only on when the ignition switch is on. I used power from the 12VDC outlet near the driver side back door as it is only powered when the ignition is on. I ran a 14 gage wire from the 12 VDC power socket to the battery isolator. The other relay terminal on the battery isolator is hooked to any handy ground. The isolator I used is a PAC-200 (see above) — the 200 amp rating is quite a bit more than is required.
The 50 amp DC circuit breaker protects the wire between the van and house batteries. The circuit breaker can also be manually switched off, so it acts as a disconnect when you want to be sure there is no connection between the van and house batteries. The breaker is sized to be a bit above the maximum recommended charging current for our batteries so that if the breaker trips we will know the battery is being charged at too high a rate. The maximum recommended charging rate flooded lead acid batteries is in the range of C/10 to C/5 (where C is the capacity of the battery in amp-hrs), so about 33 amps for our batteries.
The van alternator is the source of power for both charging the van battery and the house battery.
The wires between the house and van battery are 8 gage — this provides the 50 ampacity with less than 2% voltage drop for the about 10 ft run.
Battery Charging from Solar Panel
This is the part of the electrical system that charges the house battery using a roof mounted PV panel.
The solar panel is a large one from Solar World that provides 315 watts under full sun. It is a 72 cell PV panel so, it has a higher output voltage (36 volts) that is compatible with the input voltage range of the Midnight Solar charge controller with only the one panel hooked up.
The charge controller is from Midnight Solar — its is described under the Components section. Basically, it transforms the DC voltage put out by the solar panel to the voltage needed to charge the house battery (so the PV panel might be putting out 36 volts and the charge controller transforms this to 13 to 14ish volts needed to charge the battery. The charge controller can be set for charging either AGM or flooded batteries. Its a 3 stage battery charger. The charge controller also prevents the PV panel from overcharging the house battery, which would damage it.
The 30 amp DC breaker between the charge controller and the house battery is what Midnight Solar recommends as this is the maximum charge current that the charge controller can supply. It also protects the #10 wire. Right now this breaker is a model that does not have a manual shut off switch built into it, and I plan to replace it with one that does when I find one.
The PV panel provides standard MC4 PV panel connections (a positive and negative). To connect this to the charge controller, I bought a 50 ft long MC4 extension cable and cut it in half. I used one half of it to connect to the plus MC4 terminal on the PV panel and the other half to connect to the negative. The extension cord is #10 wire, and will probably end up being about 15 ft long. The maximum power point current for the PV panel is 8.7 amps. The voltage drop for 15 ft of #10 wire at 8 amps is about 2%, or about 0.7 volts under full sun conditions — this seems OK to me.
The wires connecting the charge controller and the house battery are #10, which has the required 30 amp ampacity. The wire run is only a couple feet long, so the voltage drop is low.
Satisfying 12 Volt DC Loads
This is the part of the electrical system responsible to safely supplying power to the campers 12 volt load:
The DC distribution panel takes 12 volt power from the house battery and distributes it to the various 12 volt loads in the camper. It provides individual fuse protection for each 12 volt circuit.
I am currently using 11 of the 12 available fuse positions.
The 60 amp breaker in the line from the house battery to the DC panel is somewhat more than I think our total DC usage will ever be, and is well within the 100 amp maximum rating of the DC panel.
Note that for our system, the DC and AC distribution panels share the same housing, but are separated by an internal partition.
Satisfying 120 Volt AC Loads and Shore Power Battery Charging
This part of the electrical system is responsible for distributing power to the 120 VAC loads in the camper, and also manages whether the source of the AC power is shore power or the camper inverter. It also covers charging the house battery from shore power.
The AC panel distributes power to the 120 volt AC loads in the camper in the same way as the DC panel (above) distributes power to the DC loads. We have planned the camper to minimize AC loads and only have a couple of AC outlets and a circuit to power a small microwave (we ended up not getting a microwave).
The inverter/charger plays the key role in how the AC power is supplied. If the camper is not hooked up to a 120 VAC shore power connection, then the inverter/charger goes into inverter mode, and takes power from the house battery and transforms it to 120 VAC. It will supply up to 1250 watts in this mode. If the camper is hooked up to shore power, then the inverter/charger shuts down its inverter, and just passes the shore power through itself and to the AC distribution panel. It also starts up its battery charger and if the house battery needs charging, it charges it from the shore power — it supplies up to 30 amps of charge current.
Another key safety feature of the Inverter/Charger is that it automatically changes where the neutral and ground wires are tied together when you go from inverter power from the batteries to shore power. The ground and neutral wires for the 120VAC electrical system should only be tied together at one point. When on the van batteries, the ground and neutral should be tied together in the van, and when on shore power, they should be tied together in the campground electrical ststem. Most Inverter/Chargers handle this automatically, and this is a good safety feature. You should check that any Inverte/Charger system you get does this. If you use a separate inverter, then it is your responsibilty to make sure the ground to neutral tie point is handled correctly.
For the wires from the inverter/charger to the house battery Tripp Lite recommends #2 AWG for this model as long as the length is 16 ft or less (ours is only about 3 ft). It says to use a fuse in this line that is located close to the battery and rated at least to the maximum amperage listed on the inverter, which is 127 amps. I am using a 150 amp breaker to protect the #2 wire.
Since our AC loads are low, the shore power receptacle is just a 20 amp regular 120VAC plug. I think this will be fine and it allows us to just use a regular 12 gauge extension cord to hook up to the shore power tower. To hook up the shore power receptacle, I just cut the plug off the end of the inverter/charger power cord and wired it to the shore power receptacle.
This section provides some pictures showing how I installed the components in our van.
The batteries plus all the main components take up an about 2 by 2 ft space under the bed on the drivers side.
The breakers can also be used as switches to disconnect each function.
The breaker marked “charge controller breaker” has since been changed to one that includes a manual reset so that it can be used to manually turn off the solar charging if needed.
The distribution panel on the right serves as both the DC and AC distribution panel — AC on forward end and DC on aft end.
The battery compartment is vented to the outside to prevent any buildup of Hydrogen in the compartment.
The vent is 3/4 inch PVC that runs from the top of the battery compartment in a short run to the side of the van. A hold is drilled in the side of the van and a louvered aluminum cover keeps the water out.
An about 7/8 inch hole was drilled through the front face of the battery compartment near the top (left picture). This was connected to the hole and vent cover in the van sidewall via a short 3/4 inch PVC pipe. The right picture shows the PVC vent pipe. Since the vent cover was larger than the 3/4 inch vent pipe, a PVC adapter fitting was used between the two.
An inlet vent is also required, and this was placed in the inboard wall of the battery compartment about half way down. It is just a 3/4 hold drilled through the battery compartment wall into which a short piece of 1/2 inch PVC pipe is sealed in place.
I have to admit to a little personal skepticism about the necessity of the vent system — it seems to only come into play when the charger malfunctions and severely over charges the battery producing Hydrogen — but, better to error on the safe side.
The battery compartment lid looks a bit like a shoe box in which the bottom of the box forms the lid of the battery compartment, and the top of the box is the forward end of the drivers side bed platform.
The battery box lid sides down into place between the inboard and outboard vertical walls of the bed platform and is held in place with two wing bolts (for easy access to the batteries. There is probably a better way to do this, but this does work OK.
I still plan to install an EPDM rubber liner that will go most of the way up the sides of the battery compartment to contain any spills and form a corrosion barrier between the already quite corrosion resistant MDO compartment walls and the battery.
Shore Power Cord
Its handy to have the things like the cord to hook up to shore power, the hose to fill with fresh water, and the hose to drain the grey water where they are easily accessible from the outside (where you use them). An outside compartment (say under the van) would be ideal for this, but I could not find a good spot. I decided to stow them on the back face of the bed platforms where they can be easily accessed from the outside via the back doors.
The shore power cord (50 ft extension cord) and the fresh water fill hose are hung on the back of the passenger side bunk, and the grey water drain hose hangs on the back of the driver side bunk. This has worked out nicely.
The hangers are homemade out of short sections for 3 inch PVC pipe and screwed to the bed platform back wall.
Note Comments section at the end of this page — Tyler shows a way to put the shore power receptacle in the ProMaster bumper — so, no hole in the side of the van. He also shows a very simple way to do a single AC circuit for the van with one very simple and cheap fuse and switch arrangement that you can buy at Home Depot.
This pictures shows the AC and DC distribution panel (top) and the solar charge controller (below). They are mounted on driver side bed enclosure facing the aisle between the two beds.
This shows the AC/DC distribution panel with the cover off. The DC distribution panel is to the right (with the car type DC fuses), and the AC distribution panel to the left with the AC circuit breakers.
The DC panel provides for up to 12 DC branch circuits, of which I am using 11 (some of the fuses have not been installed yet).
The main breaker is the top one (it shuts off all AC). Up to 4 branch circuit breakers can be installed below the main breaker (I’m only using 2). Note that the 30 amp main breaker is going to be replace with a 20 amp later.
I just recently added a small panel that adds on/off switches to the furnace and to the pump, and provides some extras for future use. It also provides 12 volt DC and USB charging outlets as well as a small volt meter to provide for easily monitoring the house battery voltage.
The switch panel mounts next to the fuse panel on the vertical face of the driver side bed platform.
The two switches on the left are pump and furnace, and the remaining switches are spares for future use. We have always found it to be a good idea to turn the pump off when not in the RV, as any kind of leak or faucet left on will cause the pump to run and drain the tank and them damage the pump. The switch on the furnace allows you to completely turn the furnace off and still have other DC gadgets powered up.
The top row has a 12VDC outlet, then volt meter, then a dual USB outlet.
The blocks of wood on the top and bottom are to keep things from hitting the switches and accidentally tripping them.
I have not updated the wiring diagram to show this panel, but the switches are in the plus lead between the fuse and the the furnace or pump, and the switches should be rated to at least the same current as the fuses.
Solar Charge Controller
The charge controller goes between the PV panel and the house battery and regulates and optimizes the charging of the battery. It also prevents the PV panel from overcharging the battery.
The MidNite Solar KID charge controller is mounted in the bed enclosure just below the distribution panel. This means you have to get down on hands and knees to read the status, but it does keep the wire runs short and the electrical bay compact. If we decide to do upper cabinets (above the windows) in the van, I may move the charge controller to one of the upper cabinets for easier reading — I’d convert the hole for the current position into an air vent to ventilate the electronics area.
There are several status screens that display various info about the solar charging — e.g. PV panel voltage, battery voltage, PV panel watts, …
Solar Panel Install
Since our AC loads for the camper are small, I decided to just use a 15/20 amp shore power connection — this is just a regular 12 gage extension cord that plugs into an ordinary 120 VAC outlet. Most RV’s now use 30 amp or 50 amp shore power connections, but with our small AC loads we just don’t need that.
This is the through wall connection we used:
A bargain by RV part price standards at only $15.
These pictures below show installing the shore power receptacle.
Connection to Van Battery
The connections to the van battery are shown below. I just used some unused connection points on the ProMaster battery terminal lug.
The connection with the Mega Fuse is the one that goes to the house battery via the battery isolator.
The ProMaster battery terminals have metal plates attached to them that serve as an attachment point for several wires and fuses. I used an unused position on the plates to attache the wire that goes to the house battery. This wire is fused with a Mega Fuse that attaches directly to the plate.
Adding A Battery Monitoring System
A Battery Monitoring System basically tells you with good accuracy how much juice is left in your battery at any time. It works by first sensing when the battery is at full charge, and then monitoring all the current going into and out of your battery and summing this up to let you know how much capacity is left.
This is not a must item at all, but it does provide some useful information
We recently added a Victron Battery Monitoring system to our conversion — all the details here…
If you think you might want to add a monitoring system at some point in the future, then I would reserve a space for the shunt — see the link above for details.
Securing Heavy Components
The batteries weigh about 60 lbs each and the Inverter/Charger is also heavy. I was concerned about these breaking away in a crash and coming forward to injure passenger or driver. So, this end of the bed box is bolted down through the floor with five 3/8 inch steel bolts. The other end of this bed houses the propane bottle and is bolted through the floor with several more bolts. The bed boxes are made out of a premium quality MDO plywood with all joints glued and screwed.
The picture shows how the through floor bolts are anchored under the floor — the steel plate provides tear out resistance. The brown paint is Rust Oleum rust primer.
Electrical Loads Estimate
I did a rough estimate of the power use while in camping mode, and estimated the battery size and PV panel size needed to support this load for a couple days.
I have assumed an 80% battery discharge level in these estimates. I know that batteries will last longer if only discharged to 50%, or even less, but if you look at the Trojan estimate for number of charge/discharge cycles for an 80% discharge, its about 750 cycles. For an RV that only gets used maybe 30 days a year, 750 cycles is about 25 years, and I’m sure the battery will die of something else before 25 years. Maybe I’m missing something?
The spreadsheet also includes a rough heat loss calculation to get the furnace size and the power drain for the furnace fan and electronics. This came out to about 3000 BTU/hr with 32F outside and 68F inside the van — this is for an insulated small van.
If you have something that will view Excel Spreadsheets, download Excel Spreadsheet here…
Otherwise, table below is copied out of the spreadsheet, but its hard to read because of the formatting.
|Van Conversion — Electrical loads Estimate|
|These are loads for one 24 hr period.|
|Available Power From Battery|
|Battery size (amp-hr at 12V)||discharge depth||voltage||Energy avail (wh)|
|100||0.8||12||960||Trojan SCS150 RV/Marine battery: 100 ah, 11.3 L X 6.7 W X 9.8 D|
|1920||This could be two of the Trojan 6V golf cart bats (or two Costco golf cart bats) in series|
|Might want to just leave space provisions for the 2nd battery.|
|Assumed below that things that are on all the time (CO detector, fridge) will run off the battery for 16 hours — that engine running or solar will take care of the rest)|
|Based on the stuff below, you would want the solar panels to put in about 500 wh over the day.|
|Item||Usage||Time (min)||Wattage||Energy (wh)|
|Lights||three LED at 3.5 watts each?||180||10||30.0|
|Furnace fan||210||22||77.0||This is based on 14 hours per day when heating is needed at 25% load factor (see below) with 12K furnace, or 210 min|
|Fantastic fan||30||21||10.5||low 1.3 amp, hi 1.75 amp (note that this would be much higher for summer, but furnace would be lower)|
|CO detector||960||1||16.0||the 1 watt is just a guess — should find out|
|LP gas detector||960||1||16.0||the 1 watt is just a guess — should find out|
|Fridge||THIS ONE NEEDS REFINEMENT||960||12||192.0||This is roughly based on Jeff Yago’s article times about 3X — still seems kind of low.|
|Total||458.8||watt-hrs per day|
|Optional added loads|
|microwave||minimal use if not on shore power||0.12||700||84.0|
|* with this setup, and 80% discharge, the 12 V – 100 AH would be good for about 2 days, and the 2 6V 225 AH would be good for about 4 days (both probably less in the real world)|
|* JY says that good fridges use 2 to 3 ah/day per cf — conservatively use 4 ah/day-cf.|
|A 1.7 cf fridge then uses (4ah/day-cf)(1.7 cf) = 6.8 ah/day, or (6.8 ah/day)(12 volts) = 82 wh/day, with an average draw of 3.5 watts (seems low)|
|Dometic says 40 watts, but this would be 365 KWH per year, which seems high for a tiny RV fridge.|
|Need a better source for power used by the Danfoss compressor fridges.|
|* At 0 F outside temperature, the furnace would be on twice as much and furnace watt hours would be 150 ish.|
|* In summer, more fan operation might add as much as 200 or so wh, but furnace would drop to 0 (-62 wh)|
|* adding a microwave even if operated on battery would not be too awful as long as time of use is limited.|
|Van heat loss :|
|Item||area||R value||Tavg outside||Tin||Heat loss (BTU/hr)|
|infiltration||468||32||68||82||at 3.0 ach|
|Total Heat Loss||3022||BTU/hr|
|So, a 12K BTU/hr furnace would be running (3022/12000= 25% of the time)|
|Propane burn per day would be (3000 BTU/hr)(24 hrs)/(92000 BTU/gal) (0.8 efic) = 0.97 gal/day|
Correction: The power drain for the 700 watt (nominal) microwave should be more like 1000 watts.
Update June 20, 2015: Did a test on our Norcold 3 cf fridge with danfoss compressor… The power usage turned out to be about 570 watt-hrs per day –more than twice what is in the table above. And, this is a relatively efficient and small fridge.
Solar Panel Charging:
Using PVWatts as a rough way to estimate output…
For a 315 watt panel mounted horizontally in Billings MT, the average output per day is:
1575 watt-hrs per day in July
440 watt-hrs per day in October
300 watt-hrs per day in December
With tilt equal to latitude (46 deg), the July number goes to 1450 wh/day and the Dec output goes to 800 wh/day.
This is with average weather for Billings — you can, of course, have full overcast days with very little production.
Our estimated use per day is about 400 watt-hrs, so for most of the year, on average, a 315 watt panel would easily meet our daily needs even with the horizontal tilt. For the deep winter, the panel only meets about 75% of our daily usage, but if it could be tilted, it would meet our daily needs with a bit of margin.
The above are with a PVWatts service factor of 0.77 — the real world one may be a bit less than this with the battery charge/discharge inefficiency included.
Note that PVWatts has a bug that results in inaccurate output with arrays smaller than 1 KWH, so you have to put in a larger array, and then just scale the output numbers down.
How Has It All Worked Out?
After three trips in the camper van, I’d say the electrical system is doing fine. It runs all of our loads fine, including the two main loads: the fridge (about 42 amp-hrs per day) and the furnace (about 20 amp-hrs per day). There have been no malfunctions, and the only maintenance was to add water to the battery once.
The solar panel has only been in place for the last trip, and its performance has been fine. While I have not carefully analyzed this, I think that for Spring, Summer, and Fall trips the solar panel will be able to provide all of the juice needed on sunny or part sunny days. Dead of winter trips are harder because the sun is lower and there are more cloudy days. I’ll try to log some actual data on how the solar charger performs with no charging from the van alternator on the next trip.
At some point, I may add a TriMetric system to keep better track of the battery pack state of charge, but this is probably more out of satisfying curiosity than actual need.
2019 Update: The van now has 5 years and 70K+ miles on it and the electrical system has held up well. No significant problems or changes 🙂
Weights, Costs, Labor
Item Description Weight (lb) Cost ($) House Battery 2 @ 6 volt, 200 AH golf cart batteries (Costco) 120 $180 Inverter/Charger Triplite APS 1250 Inverter/Charger 23.2 $406 Battery Isolator PAC-200 Battery Isolator 200 amp 2? $46 MPPT Charge Controller Midnite Solar KID Charge Controller 6 $280 AC/DC Distribution Panel PD5000 AC/DC Power Control Panel 2? $58 PV Panel SolarWorld SW315 PV panel 49.6 $368 Circuit breakers 2? 64 Wire #14 and #12 Romex 220 ft #14 Romex, 25 ft #12 Romex 14.6 $40 Other wire #2, #8, #6 short lengths 15? $30? Terminals 1? $20? Shore Power receptacle 1 $15 Inside lights, … TBD TBD Total 236 $1507
I did not keep track of the time spent installing the electrical system as it was spread out over a month. It was probably roughly the equivalent of 3 full days.
September 18, 2014
I’d be happy to hear any ideas, suggestions, corrections, or questions.